 10-06-2006, 12:02 PM
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GamingFanatic
 
Joined on 07-30-2005
14th Division Office, Seireitei (Captain)
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First off, the question, I think, needs to be rephrased. Hate to tell you this but some people cross the borders legally. I don't see the big deal with letting people cross the border, legally. Secondly, the idea of killing someone for crossing the border, illegal or otherwise, is a crazy idea which shouldn't be done. Yeah I agree there are problems galore, but killing them isn't the answer. I'm sure you'd like it if you stepped one foot on my property, I took out my shotgun and killed you for stepping foot on my property. It's a little extreme, don't you think? Thirdly, I'm half Mexican, take pride in it. My dad came here legally, though. Did everything it took to be a legal US citizen.(Hate me all you want for the third statement).
Now that that's outta the way, yeah I agree that illegal immigration, not just from Mexicans mind you, is a big issue. Hell, I live in California, which is one of the worst spots for illegal mexican immigration. But cutting them off at the border, I don't see to what point. That is to say that if they want to come to the US, fine let them do it but legally. Stopping them from coming into the US....what are we gonna stop next? Let's stop all Italians from coming too! Yeah it makes no sense. They're part of what gives our culture its diversity. Yeah I agree with you that their country has problems that need fixing, no question about it, but so does ours. Does that mean that if I wanted to go live in Europe, I should be stopped from living there because I should stay in the US and try to fix it? No. It's part of the freedom to live wherever I want to. It's a growing issue that needs to be dealt with, but not like that.
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10-06-2006, 3:44 PM
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kickassgamer
Joined on 11-28-2005
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Thank you gaming fanatic. I am still shocked that people thought of killing illegals just for crossing. Make the process easier for the illegals to come here illegally. I still think we should try to help them fix Mexico up. But we dont have the resources.
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10-09-2006, 1:17 AM
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puredolemite
Joined on 03-28-2006
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 kickassgamer wrote: | Thank you gaming fanatic. I am still shocked that people thought of killing illegals just for crossing. Make the process easier for the illegals to come here illegally. I still think we should try to help them fix Mexico up. But we dont have the resources.
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I also thank Gamingfanatic for stating a good point.
I will start with a line all Southpark fans will probably know well "THEY TOOK OUR JOB!" In that episode (which was actually influenced by Mexican immigration and angry rednecks) people come from the future because of over population leading to no jobs. Stan states in that episode that if all the people come from the future then they're just going to make our time suck just as bad as theirs does. Amazingly South Park actually does have meaningful messages, weird I know. The rednecks in that episode send a letter to senate requesting that they can shoot the people who cross the time border (sound familiar yet?) and are of course declined to do so....I sadly told my brother that they should just shoot the Goobacks (future folk) before the rednecks idea was mentioned. Future people are totally differant from Mexicans though, they're trying to mess with nature and such.
I don't think the Mexicans are doing enough damage to deserve being shot yet, but I think as Gamingfanatic and a couple others have said that Mexico should be improved is a good idea. Now I'm Canadian as I'm sure I've mentioned a few times before, so this has very little effect on me; never the less, we let people come to Canada from the U.S. during the draft and we also had slaves coming, as some may know there was a bit of a KKK here in Canada but not much of one....maybe because we were too busy being angry about other people coming in and taking our jobs, but still we didn't end out shooting anyone (or at least that's what they taught us in social studies). Though when it came to the draft we were kind of lucky and just got useless hippies that didn't really take any jobs (I have to curse the hippies at least once a day)
So when should you guys be able to shoot Mexicans trying to run the border, when the American citizens that are trying to get a job are being refused because a Mexican is willing to take the job for much less, but then maybe shooting them isn't the answer but improving the border guard. Once again back to South Park (it still shocks me how I can use the show to my advantage) maybe you can use the Chinese immigrants to make a wall....it stopped the Mongolians didn't it? That was a half-joke, cut the Chinese stereotype and keep the wall idea. I don't know how the heck you could improve Mexico, maybe their government isn't the greatest (last thing I heard was they were trying to legalize all drugs in Mexico to bring people back in)
So that's all I've got to say.....for now, but then again this one doesn't effect me much so you just might be free of me on this one.
I think I should get a job for the newspaper or something like that, I have way too easy of a time typing a crapload without having to put much thought into it (basically my excuse for all my flaws in this writing)
Oh yeah and a flaw in the poll itself, one of the options is that Mexicans should cross the border and you should be allowed to shoot them, isn't that basically saying that Mexicans should cross the border to be shot?
(I didn't choose any of the options, since I don't think the poll was made for Canadians)
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12-12-2006, 9:37 PM
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Zippo
Joined on 07-25-2005
Denton, Texas
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| Zippo wrote: | I dont think they should cross. I do think that if anyone sees a mexican trespassing on their property they should shoot on sight.
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I hate that comment, its so....conservative. I think being gay and being around gay people and more discriminated people has made me a little more liberal. I still dont think they should cross the border illegally, do it legally and get the papers. Shooting on site is a little...extreme.
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12-21-2006, 9:20 PM
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Aquilo
Joined on 12-22-2006
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Shooting someone on sight...
A little extreme, don't you think?
It is true that America has a rather large problem with illegal immigration. I cannot rationalize the idea that a person's first action upon entering a country is to break the law by entering illegally.
Some simple facts: According to the Office of Immigration Statistics in the Department of Homeland Security, they estimate that there are 10.5 million illegal immigrants within the United States as of January 2005 with a Pew Hispanic Center report suggesting that 57% of these illegal immigrants are from Mexico.
One major fact that the majority of people who are posting in this thread seem to miss is that the illegal immigrants fulfill a necessary part within the American labor force; namely the jobs that the grand majority of Americans do not wish to do. How do you propose that the various crops within the Southwest will get picked without a reliance upon illegal immigration? Not enough Americans are willing to do the job at a low enough wage that would help to secure a profit for the parent company.
In Tennessee at Tyson (a company that specializes in chicken), the company hires illegal immigrants simply because the job is so undesirable that they cannot find Americans who are willing to work there for any length of time at the wages needed in order to keep the parent company profitable.
Illegal immigrants are a NECESSARY part of this economy in particular sectors...
But I've gone off on a tangent here.
To reply to the OP, shooting them on sight? Definately wrong.
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12-22-2006, 6:24 AM
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PlatinumDrag0n
Joined on 06-18-2006
Escondido, CA
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I think that shooting at sight is really messed up!!! If it wasnt for immigrants, US would be in trouble! Does it matter that were over populated? NO It doesnt! Those homeless people that are born in the US and were able to go to school, how come they drop out of collage! But many immigrants say that many people that are born here in the US take their life for granted!!!
How would it feel if Mexico was what US is! And many US people wanted to go to Mexico to find a better life and we shoot just like that!!! Many mexican immigrants say that the United States of America is the land of Oppurtunities! But if we shoot them, who is going to work in the fields and pick up food???? Why are people or other US born homeless people, who WERE able to get an education, be homeless!!!???? If homeless people want to be the hot sun all day then how come they are not??!! If you are born here, dont take youre life for granted, since there are many other people would die just to live like you!
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Actually, it matters a lot. If we just let immigrants stroll into our country without monitering it, eventually, there will be so many of them it would be possible for them to kick us out. No one wants that happening. Another problem is that mexicans have so many kids its rediculous. Mexican parents come over here illegally and exploit the right to be a U.S citizen by having like twelve kids who are U.S. citizens.
Now that is exploiting a wonderful right we americans have. If this hasn't been decided already, we should change that law to "if a person was born here by illegal parents, then they shall not be a U.S citizen. I think its a good idea because, as I stated earlier, illegals have kids in this country after they illegally came here and supposedly made their kids U.S. citizens. All this is, to me, is a breach in this wonderful right that must be closed. What do you guys think?
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12-22-2006, 3:53 PM
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MegamanZero
Joined on 12-11-2005
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| PlatinumDrag0n wrote: | | MegamanZero wrote: | |
I think that shooting at sight is really messed up!!! If it wasnt for immigrants, US would be in trouble! Does it matter that were over populated? NO It doesnt! Those homeless people that are born in the US and were able to go to school, how come they drop out of collage! But many immigrants say that many people that are born here in the US take their life for granted!!!
How would it feel if Mexico was what US is! And many US people wanted to go to Mexico to find a better life and we shoot just like that!!! Many mexican immigrants say that the United States of America is the land of Oppurtunities! But if we shoot them, who is going to work in the fields and pick up food???? Why are people or other US born homeless people, who WERE able to get an education, be homeless!!!???? If homeless people want to be the hot sun all day then how come they are not??!! If you are born here, dont take youre life for granted, since there are many other people would die just to live like you!
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Actually, it matters a lot. If we just let immigrants stroll into our country without monitering it, eventually, there will be so many of them it would be possible for them to kick us out. No one wants that happening. Another problem is that mexicans have so many kids its rediculous. Mexican parents come over here illegally and exploit the right to be a U.S citizen by having like twelve kids who are U.S. citizens.
Now that is exploiting a wonderful right we americans have. If this hasn't been decided already, we should change that law to "if a person was born here by illegal parents, then they shall not be a U.S citizen. I think its a good idea because, as I stated earlier, illegals have kids in this country after they illegally came here and supposedly made their kids U.S. citizens. All this is, to me, is a breach in this wonderful right that must be closed. What do you guys think?
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If we take that law away, immigrants would stop coming here and some problibly would making US's population to go drasticly down and if that happens we would be in trouble!
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12-22-2006, 9:57 PM
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kickassgamer
Joined on 11-28-2005
Laplace...its not the place.
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You sound like you want them to come here illegally. I think we should make it easier to come over here.
KAG and Gaming Fine will massacre you if you mess with us....ok, just GF. I'll be in the back watching and eating popcorn.
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12-22-2006, 11:53 PM
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UyrLive
Joined on 07-03-2005
Shadow Moses
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| PlatinumDrag0n wrote: | | Actually, it matters a lot. If we just let immigrants stroll into our country without monitering it, eventually, there will be so many of them it would be possible for them to kick us out. No one wants that happening. Another problem is that mexicans have so many kids its rediculous. Mexican parents come over here illegally and exploit the right to be a U.S citizen by having like twelve kids who are U.S. citizens.
Now that is exploiting a wonderful right we americans have. If this hasn't been decided already, we should change that law to "if a person was born here by illegal parents, then they shall not be a U.S citizen. I think its a good idea because, as I stated earlier, illegals have kids in this country after they illegally came here and supposedly made their kids U.S. citizens. All this is, to me, is a breach in this wonderful right that must be closed. What do you guys think? |
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So, having twelve children is a right for Americans only, why don't people take advantage of it then? Actually, having many children is not "a Mexican thing", but more of "a Catholic thing." Of course, not all Mexicans are Catholic, but the majority are. The point is just because they have a dozen children doesn't mean they are trying to exploit the American benefits, but more like exploiting their benefits of being human.
I completely disagree with your comment about children of illegals shouldn't be U.S. citizens if they are born here. You can't deny citizens their citizenship. Anyone born in the U.S. is an American, plain and simple.
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01-07-2007, 1:33 PM
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MidNiteRunner
Joined on 12-14-2006
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I said no to both, but I could see why they would want to cross illegaly. On avrage it takes 10 years for all the paper work to be complete and allow them to become legal citzens of the US from start to finish.
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01-08-2007, 1:25 PM
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GamingFanatic
Joined on 07-30-2005
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| UyrLive wrote: | | PlatinumDrag0n wrote: | | Actually, it matters a lot. If we just let immigrants stroll into our country without monitering it, eventually, there will be so many of them it would be possible for them to kick us out. No one wants that happening. Another problem is that mexicans have so many kids its rediculous. Mexican parents come over here illegally and exploit the right to be a U.S citizen by having like twelve kids who are U.S. citizens.
Now that is exploiting a wonderful right we americans have. If this hasn't been decided already, we should change that law to "if a person was born here by illegal parents, then they shall not be a U.S citizen. I think its a good idea because, as I stated earlier, illegals have kids in this country after they illegally came here and supposedly made their kids U.S. citizens. All this is, to me, is a breach in this wonderful right that must be closed. What do you guys think? |
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So, having twelve children is a right for Americans only, why don't people take advantage of it then? Actually, having many children is not "a Mexican thing", but more of "a Catholic thing." Of course, not all Mexicans are Catholic, but the majority are. The point is just because they have a dozen children doesn't mean they are trying to exploit the American benefits, but more like exploiting their benefits of being human.
I completely disagree with your comment about children of illegals shouldn't be U.S. citizens if they are born here. You can't deny citizens their citizenship. Anyone born in the U.S. is an American, plain and simple.
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There's a slight problem with your theory of Mexicans having many children. (Funny I should be the LAST one telling you this since I, myself, am half mexican and am the youngest of 5 kids). Anyway, the trend for Hispanic families now is to have LESS children. On average, the number of children that Hispanic families are having went from an average of 6(I believe in 2001) to 3 (I believe the date for this was 2004 or 2005). Just a little tidbit I picked up in a Sociology class/book. It's because.....ah nevermind, if you really wanna know the reason for it, I'll explain myself further.
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