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03-24-2008, 6:17 PM cheatmaster27 Joined on 10-07-2006 Home? Re: Forceflow If I would have know helping those little *** gets the admins attention I might have done so a little more. But frankly they dont deserve any help since they just come here to ask retarded questions. Please tell me if you have GTA IV on either system so I can put you on the list. Need to find cheats? Click the link. Link    Report     03-24-2008, 6:22 PM puredolemite Joined on 03-28-2006 Comrade Dole Rank NA Re: Forceflow  Sudhish86_ wrote: Deserves it? Really, huh? I'm sorry, but what ex-elite member wasn't viewed as " helpful"? I sware it's hardly possible to be as naive as the staff here is.... Shut the hell up Suds, you're just being a stupid twat now.  Here's an example of how getting rid of the Elites was a good call, Jigsaw and US mostly post 4Chan related rubbish, River was banned shortly after for flaming people....I suppose you call that helpful eh?  Real model members.  The rest were stripped because they aren't here often or at all anymore, though I think they should have kept their badge. Force Flow is extremely helpful because he helps all the newbies out with their stupid threads about cheats and walkthroughs, there aren't many members here that actually say anything other than "do a barrel roll" and it would be good to see more members actually help out the newbies, thus making FF a model member. I know you're out just trying to start a conflict with Sav, but at least have a decent reason to kick up a fuss for once; it gets old when you bitch and moan about every little administrative action done around here. EDIT: @CM And helping them gets them out of here faster so we don't have to put up with all their bumping and deal with them making ten copies of the same thread.  Also, when it comes to getting Admin attention...you're not the most well looked upon member here.    Report     03-24-2008, 6:29 PM cheatmaster27 Joined on 10-07-2006 Home? Re: Forceflow Good thing I am not really looking for approval then. Please tell me if you have GTA IV on either system so I can put you on the list. Need to find cheats? Click the link. Link    Report     03-24-2008, 7:42 PM Sudhish86_ Joined on 12-08-2007 Rolling around in my own fesces..... Re: Forceflow Tom, tell me how much the boards benefit from ForceFlow. They do from Stealth, Ace, Rael, and probably a few others, but ForceFlow? I have no reason to dislike the guy, but I don't see how he qualifies as an "elite" member much...  puredolemite wrote: Shut the hell up Suds, you're just being a stupid twat now.  Here's an example of how getting rid of the Elites was a good call, Jigsaw and US mostly post 4Chan related rubbish, River was banned shortly after for flaming people....I suppose you call that helpful eh?  Real model members. Helpful in this way? Am I really supposed to think this is helping the boards and not just individual people? How about make him a nice, little "Our super-duper little helper badge", with a picture of a mother giving a child a kiss. Makes more sense in this case to me. Model members? I'm a little hesitant about giving half a sh.t about that, considering our entirely bullcrap standards for pretty much everything here. I'm not sure being a "model member" means exclusively, "not mean to others in the way we view others to be". You can have your "model" members, and I'll take my "useful contributors".    puredolemite wrote: The rest were stripped because they aren't here often or at all anymore, though I think they should have kept their badge. I don't, and I don't see how ForceFlow's amount of activity( along with whatever "quality" posts he might have) is any different cause for showing we're eager to please quickly ( and not lead)than the old "elite membership" bull crap. How is this any different than before? At the time most received theirs, they were ForceFlow before ForceFlow, plain and simple. Sorry, but this garbage is no different from the previous garbage in its time. Suggest otherwise like you fail to do with mostly everything else.    puredolemite wrote: Force Flow is extremely helpful because he helps all the newbies out with their stupid threads about cheats and walkthroughs, there aren't many members here that actually say anything other than "do a barrel roll" and it would be good to see more members actually help out the newbies, thus making FF a model member. And we all know that the overwhelming majority of these "newbies" turn out to be people who actually contribute in threads that have some bearing in anything remotely practical, right? Shyeah, I thought so. Hey, another idea is a "Good Samaritan" badge. That fits, right? Better than an "Elite Member" one, as far as non-bullsh.t tells me.    puredolemite wrote: I know you're out just trying to start a conflict with Sav, but at least have a decent reason to kick up a fuss for once; it gets old when you bitch and moan about every little administrative action done around here. Again, your cynicsm leads you to be incorrect of my motives. ( What a shocker..) I personally think Savage is one worthless piece of dry poop leader, yes--but tell me why I should POSSIBLY think otherwise. I mean, seriously. What decent decision has he made that past history and common sense tells us any member here wouldn't? Huh? Please, Non-Sequitur me, Cap'n! Savage is a crap leader( I sware to you he only seeks to please us quickly, nothing more) and Socom is more of Lemming than someone with ideas to spark a well-needed change.  puredolemite wrote: EDIT: @CM And helping them gets them out of here faster so we don't have to put up with all their bumping and deal with them making ten copies of the same thread.  Also, when it comes to getting Admin attention...you're not the most well looked upon member here. I'm sorry, but Cheat does more now to keep this place going than 99.90 percent of others here. Who cares about his past, really? I was a moron for thinking we should also. What he writes is more tolerable than any worthless garbage I read about by (member-I-***-on-for fun). I don't know how this is a strongly basal decision.  Unreal_Arbiter_ wrote: You have no REASON to criticize me because I ask for none. My life is perfect without your criticism even if I am an ignorant penis.    Report     03-24-2008, 8:56 PM puredolemite Joined on 03-28-2006 Comrade Dole Rank NA Re: Forceflow How is helping individuals not considered helping the boards?  The forums are a community consisting of many individuals, sure he helps the ones that generally don't stay but how is that a bad thing?  So you're hesitant on the whole "Model members" thing eh?  Sorry but I prefer this place to have as few ignorant bastards as possible, if everyone helped out the newbies then the rare newbie that would become a good member might stay here, where as if we just tell them to do a barell roll they'll just leave.  Alright, I'll make it more clear, new good members come from newbies that come here most likely for help on something; therefore, helping newbies increases the odds of new good members, such a reasonable individual as yourself should be able to see that. I saw the old members that had the elite badge as a bit of forum history, they were known for being the elites at that time, so why should they be stripped of it?  But oh well they're not coming to defend themselves so it's not a big deal. In the past I think the elites were given there status because they were liked by the admins, as much as we like FF I recommended him for the elite badge because he actually helps, onto his post quality, it's pretty damn good seeing as practically all of his posts are helping out people in the Game Help section, sure he isn't around in these main sections to keep the older members happy but how does that make his contribution any less?  FF's help encourages new members to stay, and the lack of new members coming here is the forum's main problem. You mentioned that elites should be leaders, ForceFlow leads by example, the older members see helping others as a good thing, thus they are encouraged to do likewise; the newbies see that helpful members are given special status, thus they are also encouraged to help others.  The elite status is meant as an encouragement for members to become better members, rather than flame a person tell them what they're doing wrong, rather than spend all your time posting stupid things in the Face Palm section actually start discussions.  I hope it's clear that just because FF isn't keeping you guys entertained doesn't mean that he isn't contributing; pull your head out of your ass already. Suggest otherwise like you fail to do with mostly everything else.   Hey, look at who gets to contribute to decisions in the private section, I guess I didn't fail at making my way up the ladder here eh?  Unlike some wannabe leader, I contribute more to this place than you do, so seeing as you hold contribution so high on your list it seems as though you should shut the hell up already. And we all know that the overwhelming majority of these "newbies" turn out to be people who actually contribute in threads that have some bearing in anything remotely practical, right? Well most of them get told to do a barrel roll when they show up here, that seems like quite the deterrent doesn't it?  They don't stick around long enough to get to know the forums and that's why we rarely get any newbies that actually participate in decent discussions, the problem is that they aren't given much time, if any, to improve; they come here, get called stupid and figure this place can go *** itself.  Now if more of you guys were like FF and actually helped them out when they come here then we may get more good members, but we all know for a person to improve they have to listen right (I'm sure you all know what members I'm talking about) but not all of them are borderline retards. How can you comment on my cynicism when I'm encouraging the helping of others?  I don't get why you've got your panties up in bunch because of this, it's extremely simple, he helps people out, helping people is a good thing, he doesn't flame or post rubbish which is also a good thing.  Anyways, I'm not going to stick up for Sav, he can do that himself; though I'd like to mention that I'm pretty much certain that he had not part in this.  It's also not my cynicism that leads me to believe that you're out just trying to ruffle Sav's feathers, it's taking past events into account, you just said that you think that Sav is a horrid Admin, seeing as you're bitching about every decision he makes it's reasonable to believe that you just bitch to make him look bad. I agree that CM does bring a lot to the forums, he contributes a lot to pretty much every section of the forums, but his fanboism keeps him from being a "model member", at least in my oppinion, I also don't appreciate the back seat moderation he does from time to time.   Alright, let's sort of cut this all down now, you say that you don't think that FF should be given elite status because he doesn't fit your view on what a elite should be, yet you've been narrow minded enough to contradict yourself by saying that we're rewarding people that are "eager to please quickly" where you figure the only members that should have elite status are those that contribute to the main area which will keep the older members pleased and will cause the newbies to continue to be shunned. You'd be a lousy leader because you don't look at all aspects of things, we lose old members all the time, the newbs are the lifeblood of the forums, turn them away and this place has a set amount of time to remain functioning.  Stealth, Ace, and Rael have very little to do with encouraging new members to stay, if anything they encourage the older members to stay, which is only a delay. So, Force Flow well deserves the elite badge, and if you still think otherwise you're a idiot for remaining stubborn on the subject.  Now to see what Tom writes or has wrote.    Report     03-24-2008, 9:03 PM JiGsAw Joined on 06-26-2006 Re: Forceflow  Sudhish86_ wrote: Deserves it? Really, huh? I'm sorry, but what ex-elite member wasn't viewed as " helpful"? I sware it's hardly possible to be as naive as the staff here is.... Give back every member their old badge in this case; they're no worse than ForceFlow in any book I can see. I suspect it's too much infatuation on Savage's part with "helping"[directly] as a factor. I swear a lot at the n00bs and only ever helped older members with actual advice for t3h lulz.  Oh, also, it's a *** badge on a *** forum, you don't have to make such a big *** deal out of every little thing that goes on around here. In Canada, milk comes in bags.    Report     03-24-2008, 10:22 PM Sudhish86_ Joined on 12-08-2007 Rolling around in my own fesces..... This post gets more reasonable as it goes along, for all you who hate posts written without positive emotions towards them.  puredolemite wrote: How is helping individuals not considered helping the boards?  The forums are a community consisting of many individuals, sure he helps the ones that generally don't stay but how is that a bad thing?  So you're hesitant on the whole "Model members" thing eh?  Sorry but I prefer this place to have as few ignorant bastards as possible, if everyone helped out the newbies then the rare newbie that would become a good member might stay here, where as if we just tell them to do a barell roll they'll just leave.  Alright, I'll make it more clear, new good members come from newbies that come here most likely for help on something; therefore, helping newbies increases the odds of new good members, such a reasonable individual as yourself should be able to see that. What history is there of the whole forums benefitting ( even a little) from one person getting answers about a game? Lol. The sound of it is also absurd. Sure, there are ignorant bastards, but ignorant bastards in gaming? Heaven forbid! Someone who is an entire potato away from being an order of french fries will still be so after learning how to get past level two on Resident Evil. I never said anything about helping people in general, anyways. I believe I specified helping in gaming ( though referred to as "this way", when responding to a line about his help in the gaming section) If someone helps (***-sucker # 5,000) in, say, explaining a logical fallacy in an argument, that helps the forum directly enough by having someone know why some idea is wrong. And when he talks about it again, not only will it be a more mature belief but also a semi-intellectual one--something which we could need at least "here and there" every so often on a distant planet...  puredolemite wrote: I saw the old members that had the elite badge as a bit of forum history, they were known for being the elites at that time, so why should they be stripped of it?  But oh well they're not coming to defend themselves so it's not a big deal. We had different perspectives. I was thinking of members like Midnite( and at least two others) who did nothing but not be mean/ confrontational ( which is laugh out loud *** of a criteria, though it was obvious it existed at least then) while  posting a nice 25-30 times a day everyday. Considering the correlation of all the members who had the badge, it was a badge rewarding meeting our standards at one time or another.  puredolemite wrote: In the past I think the elites were given there status because they were liked by the admins, as much as we like FF I recommended him for the elite badge because he actually helps, onto his post quality, it's pretty damn good seeing as practically all of his posts are helping out people in the Game Help section, sure he isn't around in these main sections to keep the older members happy but how does that make his contribution any less?  FF's help encourages new members to stay, and the lack of new members coming here is the forum's main problem. Any less? Few who kept the forums alive over the past two years( figuratively. It doesn't take Michaelangelo's imagination to see our condition.) give anything about the areas containing the most potential for sparking life. (Obviously, I and several other people are talking about stupid bull crap about Brawl, but that doesn't help the forums. The forums are only helped when the areas where the majority of the good members at least have an opinion on the included topics have good discussion in them; frankly, the Wii section isn't it, as much as I think of my thoughts and how much I post there. I think that's very historically valid.  puredolemite wrote: You mentioned that elites should be leaders, ForceFlow leads by example, the older members see helping others as a good thing, thus they are encouraged to do likewise; the newbies see that helpful members are given special status, thus they are also encouraged to help others. Are you kidding me? Do you really think it causes the "newbies" to think that? Damn, they're stupid pieces of work, but they're not mindless, thoughtless ones, Dole. Those who help in certain areas now generally have been the most likely to do it in the past. ForceFlow leads by example? Really? I MUST see this phenomena, because it's something else if what's being said ( or propogated) is true.  puredolemite wrote: The elite status is meant as an encouragement for members to become better members, rather than flame a person tell them what they're doing wrong, rather than spend all your time posting stupid things in the Face Palm section actually start discussions.  I hope it's clear that just because FF isn't keeping you guys entertained doesn't mean that he isn't contributing; pull your head out of your ass already. So, wait, it's an encouragement for those who "helped" other members to become better members? Really? Wow, now you're speaking my language, here, Dole. If you mean "other" people--as in those who have yet to receive such a divine crown of grace bestowed upon by the clearly sensible--then simply tell them what they're doing is wrong. I'm sorry, but I never associate criticism with flaming, as much as I include insults with my criticism. Therefore, just criticize/ analyze. It's simple. I haven't been in the Face Palm section in at least eight days. At whom is that directed? Who said anything about entertaining us? Where is all this nonsense coming from? Because the cause to say that is entirely baseless, I suggest you check who really has their head in someone's ass. At least what I'm saying has SOME historical support to it, however thorough.  puredolemite wrote:    Hey, look at who gets to contribute to decisions in the private section, I guess I didn't fail at making my way up the ladder here eh?  Unlike some wannabe leader, I contribute more to this place than you do, so seeing as you hold contribution so high on your list it seems as though you should shut the hell up already. You have high position? You made your way up the ladder? And? What? What's the justification for the position( not to go Chomsky on you)--Savage's sense/ understanding of things? Laughably low justification, Dole. I'll take " Has literally not made a decision to cause that which he governs to move forward at any point in time.", for quick money, Alex.  puredolemite wrote: Well most of them get told to do a barrel roll when they show up here, that seems like quite the deterrent doesn't it?  They don't stick around long enough to get to know the forums and that's why we rarely get any newbies that actually participate in decent discussions, the problem is that they aren't given much time, if any, to improve; they come here, get called stupid and figure this place can go *** itself.  Now if more of you guys were like FF and actually helped them out when they come here then we may get more good members, but we all know for a person to improve they have to listen right (I'm sure you all know what members I'm talking about) but not all of them are borderline retards. Allright, you do have a point here. However, one thing I have to point out is that, if you notice those who are reasonably "bright" ( what a loosely-used word), you will also notice how well they focus on what's said and the validity of statements; likewise, at the other end of things, those who are incredibly stupid will either stay if they like video games, or will leave if they're here with more general discussion-based interests, if attacked early. I propose it's not the attacking that's the problem but the mindset of people. If helping them out with their gaming fantasies qualifies him as an "elite" member, it lowers my view of the staff's sensibility another rung.  puredolemite wrote: How can you comment on my cynicism when I'm encouraging the helping of others? Are fricking ignorant? You said I'm just looking to start a conflict with Savage. What the heck am I supposed to say when you assume I have, in a very broad, outer-layer sense, have only self-indulgent motives? What are you not seeing in yourself, Dole? I constantly provide reason to or to not believe something when talking about Savage's decisions. Even if all of them are entirely wrong, what does that indicate? Perhaps a genuine disagreement with Savage's way of thinking, though stupid? Hmm, maybe, JUST MAYBE it could be so...    puredolemite wrote: I don't get why you've got your panties up in bunch because of this, it's extremely simple, he helps people out, helping people is a good thing, he doesn't flame or post rubbish which is also a good thing.   Because it annoys me having stupid, senseless people in positions to make decisions, MAKING decisions, making WEAKLY BASAL decisions regarding something I've cared about since early '06. I'll use a quote from one of my favorite thinkers( though a devout Bible-follower). " Good philosophy must exist if for no other reason because bad philosophy does." My care for the conception and application of good philosophy is driving me to write these things. Or, assume I want to think I'm divine by raising myself through lowering others--which only exists in history EXCLUSIVELY through cynical assumptions, despite having been wrong 90 percent of the time.    puredolemite wrote: Anyways, I'm not going to stick up for Sav, he can do that himself; though I'd like to mention that I'm pretty much certain that he had not part in this.  It's also not my cynicism that leads me to believe that you're out just trying to ruffle Sav's feathers, it's taking past events into account, you just said that you think that Sav is a horrid Admin, seeing as you're bitching about every decision he makes it's reasonable to believe that you just bitch to make him look bad. If he hasn't, he can deal with me however he likes--mock my cynism, suspend me, bann me. So you doubt that the fact that I provide reasoning behind my posts against these decisions indicates I most likely ( if it's unfair to state with anymore probability) have other motives--possibly the "genuine disagreement" one I mentioned before? And do you also doubt that the fact that I keep restating my reasoning/ points often ( which everyone reminds me of often, for whatever pointless reason) indicates it's a very strong motive? Fine. Fine. Fine! I'm the unreasonable one. You truly see things as they are, and Savage definately knows his *** too. I also must admit that there probably is a fundamental progress occurring in the forums with each change Savage makes that I am far too ignorant to observe. Fine. I also suppose that these changes are such a powerful phenomena that the reason you can't explain they even exist, much less how, is because they're even beyond YOUR incredible senses.    puredolemite wrote: I agree that CM does bring a lot to the forums, he contributes a lot to pretty much every section of the forums, but his fanboism keeps him from being a "model member", at least in my oppinion, I also don't appreciate the back seat moderation he does from time to time. Fanboism? Oh, please. And that's not any worse than your *** emotional cynicism from not wanting to believe someone so not modest/ humble, because you like to assume that's necessarily arrogance, because you like to assume someone who is arrogant must necessarily be missing something, regardless of the *** theoretical/ logical correlation everywhere. Backseat modding? I'm not one for regulated...anything, but what he is doing, according to any sensible "rule" is nothing more than annoying--not some action caused by some collossal moral disease.    puredolemite wrote: Alright, let's sort of cut this all down now, you say that you don't think that FF should be given elite status because he doesn't fit your view on what a elite should be, yet you've been narrow minded enough to contradict yourself by saying that we're rewarding people that are "eager to please quickly" where you figure the only members that should have elite status are those that contribute to the main area which will keep the older members pleased and will cause the newbies to continue to be shunned. No, I think only elite status should be rewarded to those who have written several posts which helped the life of the forum. Where it is I already said. I've said nothing about older members in this regard. Why? Because there is no focus on anyone at this stage, just the life of the forum. And I'd love to see which Robin Hood has come primarily from the gaming sections of the forum...Oh, please, do tell me of him. Besides, if I'm narrow-minded, the reality of it becomes instinctively less by you being narrow-minded on a greater scale than I--which is evident through your preference of other's motives, specifically the one you directed the comment at.  puredolemite wrote: You'd be a lousy leader because you don't look at all aspects of things, we lose old members all the time, the newbs are the lifeblood of the forums, turn them away and this place has a set amount of time to remain functioning.  Stealth, Ace, and Rael have very little to do with encouraging new members to stay, if anything they encourage the older members to stay, which is only a delay. I don't? Really? How would you know? Keep talking about "old" members, Dole; your sensibility only seems less when you create a false model of opposition and attack primarily that. I did mention Stealth, Rael, and Ace, but that was because there is a relevant correlation ( though general) between the two: their posts draw people in because of their identity. Of course, knowing me, the chance of that being true is hardly possible, what stupid, narrow-minded person I am...  puredolemite wrote: So, Force Flow well deserves the elite badge, and if you still think otherwise you're a idiot for remaining stubborn on the subject.  Now to see what Tom writes or has wrote. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...Just more baseless bull crap from Mr. Dolemite, our fellow father of overassertions of ***. Just tell me what evidence there is ( point to a time in our history, I'll do the research myself) of our forum making progress ( figuritively) through "gaming help", and maybe I won't assume your head is in some emotional cloud.  Unreal_Arbiter_ wrote: You have no REASON to criticize me because I ask for none. My life is perfect without your criticism even if I am an ignorant penis.    Report     03-24-2008, 11:59 PM JiGsAw Joined on 06-26-2006 Re: This post gets more reasonable as it goes along, for all you who hate posts written without positive emotions towards them.  Sudhish86_ wrote:  puredolemite wrote: How is helping individuals not considered helping the boards?  The forums are a community consisting of many individuals, sure he helps the ones that generally don't stay but how is that a bad thing?  So you're hesitant on the whole "Model members" thing eh?  Sorry but I prefer this place to have as few ignorant bastards as possible, if everyone helped out the newbies then the rare newbie that would become a good member might stay here, where as if we just tell them to do a barell roll they'll just leave.  Alright, I'll make it more clear, new good members come from newbies that come here most likely for help on something; therefore, helping newbies increases the odds of new good members, such a reasonable individual as yourself should be able to see that. What history is there of the whole forums benefitting ( even a little) from one person getting answers about a game? Lol. The sound of it is also absurd. Sure, there are ignorant bastards, but ignorant bastards in gaming? Heaven forbid! Someone who is an entire potato away from being an order of french fries will still be so after learning how to get past level two on Resident Evil. I never said anything about helping people in general, anyways. I believe I specified helping in gaming ( though referred to as "this way", when responding to a line about his help in the gaming section) If someone helps (***-sucker # 5,000) in, say, explaining a logical fallacy in an argument, that helps the forum directly enough by having someone know why some idea is wrong. And when he talks about it again, not only will it be a more mature belief but also a semi-intellectual one--something which we could need at least "here and there" every so often on a distant planet...  puredolemite wrote: I saw the old members that had the elite badge as a bit of forum history, they were known for being the elites at that time, so why should they be stripped of it?  But oh well they're not coming to defend themselves so it's not a big deal. We had different perspectives. I was thinking of members like Midnite( and at least two others) who did nothing but not be mean/ confrontational ( which is laugh out loud *** of a criteria, though it was obvious it existed at least then) while  posting a nice 25-30 times a day everyday. Considering the correlation of all the members who had the badge, it was a badge rewarding meeting our standards at one time or another.  puredolemite wrote: In the past I think the elites were given there status because they were liked by the admins, as much as we like FF I recommended him for the elite badge because he actually helps, onto his post quality, it's pretty damn good seeing as practically all of his posts are helping out people in the Game Help section, sure he isn't around in these main sections to keep the older members happy but how does that make his contribution any less?  FF's help encourages new members to stay, and the lack of new members coming here is the forum's main problem. Any less? Few who kept the forums alive over the past two years( figuratively. It doesn't take Michaelangelo's imagination to see our condition.) give anything about the areas containing the most potential for sparking life. (Obviously, I and several other people are talking about stupid bull crap about Brawl, but that doesn't help the forums. The forums are only helped when the areas where the majority of the good members at least have an opinion on the included topics have good discussion in them; frankly, the Wii section isn't it, as much as I think of my thoughts and how much I post there. I think that's very historically valid.  puredolemite wrote: You mentioned that elites should be leaders, ForceFlow leads by example, the older members see helping others as a good thing, thus they are encouraged to do likewise; the newbies see that helpful members are given special status, thus they are also encouraged to help others. Are you kidding me? Do you really think it causes the "newbies" to think that? Damn, they're stupid pieces of work, but they're not mindless, thoughtless ones, Dole. Those who help in certain areas now generally have been the most likely to do it in the past. ForceFlow leads by example? Really? I MUST see this phenomena, because it's something else if what's being said ( or propogated) is true.  puredolemite wrote: The elite status is meant as an encouragement for members to become better members, rather than flame a person tell them what they're doing wrong, rather than spend all your time posting stupid things in the Face Palm section actually start discussions.  I hope it's clear that just because FF isn't keeping you guys entertained doesn't mean that he isn't contributing; pull your head out of your ass already. So, wait, it's an encouragement for those who "helped" other members to become better members? Really? Wow, now you're speaking my language, here, Dole. If you mean "other" people--as in those who have yet to receive such a divine crown of grace bestowed upon by the clearly sensible--then simply tell them what they're doing is wrong. I'm sorry, but I never associate criticism with flaming, as much as I include insults with my criticism. Therefore, just criticize/ analyze. It's simple. I haven't been in the Face Palm section in at least eight days. At whom is that directed? Who said anything about entertaining us? Where is all this nonsense coming from? Because the cause to say that is entirely baseless, I suggest you check who really has their head in someone's ass. At least what I'm saying has SOME historical support to it, however thorough.  puredolemite wrote:    Hey, look at who gets to contribute to decisions in the private section, I guess I didn't fail at making my way up the ladder here eh?  Unlike some wannabe leader, I contribute more to this place than you do, so seeing as you hold contribution so high on your list it seems as though you should shut the hell up already. You have high position? You made your way up the ladder? And? What? What's the justification for the position( not to go Chomsky on you)--Savage's sense/ understanding of things? Laughably low justification, Dole. I'll take " Has literally not made a decision to cause that which he governs to move forward at any point in time.", for quick money, Alex.  puredolemite wrote: Well most of them get told to do a barrel roll when they show up here, that seems like quite the deterrent doesn't it?  They don't stick around long enough to get to know the forums and that's why we rarely get any newbies that actually participate in decent discussions, the problem is that they aren't given much time, if any, to improve; they come here, get called stupid and figure this place can go *** itself.  Now if more of you guys were like FF and actually helped them out when they come here then we may get more good members, but we all know for a person to improve they have to listen right (I'm sure you all know what members I'm talking about) but not all of them are borderline retards. Allright, you do have a point here. However, one thing I have to point out is that, if you notice those who are reasonably "bright" ( what a loosely-used word), you will also notice how well they focus on what's said and the validity of statements; likewise, at the other end of things, those who are incredibly stupid will either stay if they like video games, or will leave if they're here with more general discussion-based interests, if attacked early. I propose it's not the attacking that's the problem but the mindset of people. If helping them out with their gaming fantasies qualifies him as an "elite" member, it lowers my view of the staff's sensibility another rung.  puredolemite wrote: How can you comment on my cynicism when I'm encouraging the helping of others? Are fricking ignorant? You said I'm just looking to start a conflict with Savage. What the heck am I supposed to say when you assume I have, in a very broad, outer-layer sense, have only self-indulgent motives? What are you not seeing in yourself, Dole? I constantly provide reason to or to not believe something when talking about Savage's decisions. Even if all of them are entirely wrong, what does that indicate? Perhaps a genuine disagreement with Savage's way of thinking, though stupid? Hmm, maybe, JUST MAYBE it could be so...    puredolemite wrote: I don't get why you've got your panties up in bunch because of this, it's extremely simple, he helps people out, helping people is a good thing, he doesn't flame or post rubbish which is also a good thing.   Because it annoys me having stupid, senseless people in positions to make decisions, MAKING decisions, making WEAKLY BASAL decisions regarding something I've cared about since early '06. I'll use a quote from one of my favorite thinkers( though a devout Bible-follower). " Good philosophy must exist if for no other reason because bad philosophy does." My care for the conception and application of good philosophy is driving me to write these things. Or, assume I want to think I'm divine by raising myself through lowering others--which only exists in history EXCLUSIVELY through cynical assumptions, despite having been wrong 90 percent of the time.    puredolemite wrote: Anyways, I'm not going to stick up for Sav, he can do that himself; though I'd like to mention that I'm pretty much certain that he had not part in this.  It's also not my cynicism that leads me to believe that you're out just trying to ruffle Sav's feathers, it's taking past events into account, you just said that you think that Sav is a horrid Admin, seeing as you're bitching about every decision he makes it's reasonable to believe that you just bitch to make him look bad. If he hasn't, he can deal with me however he likes--mock my cynism, suspend me, bann me. So you doubt that the fact that I provide reasoning behind my posts against these decisions indicates I most likely ( if it's unfair to state with anymore probability) have other motives--possibly the "genuine disagreement" one I mentioned before? And do you also doubt that the fact that I keep restating my reasoning/ points often ( which everyone reminds me of often, for whatever pointless reason) indicates it's a very strong motive? Fine. Fine. Fine! I'm the unreasonable one. You truly see things as they are, and Savage definately knows his *** too. I also must admit that there probably is a fundamental progress occurring in the forums with each change Savage makes that I am far too ignorant to observe. Fine. I also suppose that these changes are such a powerful phenomena that the reason you can't explain they even exist, much less how, is because they're even beyond YOUR incredible senses.    puredolemite wrote: I agree that CM does bring a lot to the forums, he contributes a lot to pretty much every section of the forums, but his fanboism keeps him from being a "model member", at least in my oppinion, I also don't appreciate the back seat moderation he does from time to time. Fanboism? Oh, please. And that's not any worse than your *** emotional cynicism from not wanting to believe someone so not modest/ humble, because you like to assume that's necessarily arrogance, because you like to assume someone who is arrogant must necessarily be missing something, regardless of the *** theoretical/ logical correlation everywhere. Backseat modding? I'm not one for regulated...anything, but what he is doing, according to any sensible "rule" is nothing more than annoying--not some action caused by some collossal moral disease.    puredolemite wrote: Alright, let's sort of cut this all down now, you say that you don't think that FF should be given elite status because he doesn't fit your view on what a elite should be, yet you've been narrow minded enough to contradict yourself by saying that we're rewarding people that are "eager to please quickly" where you figure the only members that should have elite status are those that contribute to the main area which will keep the older members pleased and will cause the newbies to continue to be shunned. No, I think only elite status should be rewarded to those who have written several posts which helped the life of the forum. Where it is I already said. I've said nothing about older members in this regard. Why? Because there is no focus on anyone at this stage, just the life of the forum. And I'd love to see which Robin Hood has come primarily from the gaming sections of the forum...Oh, please, do tell me of him. Besides, if I'm narrow-minded, the reality of it becomes instinctively less by you being narrow-minded on a greater scale than I--which is evident through your preference of other's motives, specifically the one you directed the comment at.  puredolemite wrote: You'd be a lousy leader because you don't look at all aspects of things, we lose old members all the time, the newbs are the lifeblood of the forums, turn them away and this place has a set amount of time to remain functioning.  Stealth, Ace, and Rael have very little to do with encouraging new members to stay, if anything they encourage the older members to stay, which is only a delay. I don't? Really? How would you know? Keep talking about "old" members, Dole; your sensibility only seems less when you create a false model of opposition and attack primarily that. I did mention Stealth, Rael, and Ace, but that was because there is a relevant correlation ( though general) between the two: their posts draw people in because of their identity. Of course, knowing me, the chance of that being true is hardly possible, what stupid, narrow-minded person I am...  puredolemite wrote: So, Force Flow well deserves the elite badge, and if you still think otherwise you're a idiot for remaining stubborn on the subject.  Now to see what Tom writes or has wrote. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...Just more baseless bull crap from Mr. Dolemite, our fellow father of overassertions of ***. Just tell me what evidence there is ( point to a time in our history, I'll do the research myself) of our forum making progress ( figuritively) through "gaming help", and maybe I won't assume your head is in some emotional cloud. LOLWUT? In Canada, milk comes in bags.    Report     03-25-2008, 1:29 AM puredolemite Joined on 03-28-2006 Comrade Dole Rank NA Re: A reminder that there are times to STFU! I'm not getting into an argument with you, nothing bad comes from Force Flow getting the eliteship he deserves, so you can learn to suck your thumb and shut the *** up already, whiney little bastard.  This is in no way a poor decision; therefore, you have no reason to continue complaining about it, does FF's eliteship hurt you in any way? NO! Does it help the forums? Yes, it encourages newbies to stay here.  Goddamn are you one unreasonable person.  You can piss off with your bitching, I won't hesitate to delete your foolish complaints here. If anyone else feels that we have made a poor decision feel free to speak your mind, Sudhish can remain quiet. Also Suds, any more posts where you depend on belittling people are at my mercy; you are free to give your oppinion on a subject, but posts where you turn to insulting a member's reasoning and such are not permitted.  I am considering such posts as flame, that should be clear and understood.    Report     03-25-2008, 4:02 AM CiPrIaNiSoLdIeR Joined on 04-26-2007 Made of pure Criptonite Rank NA Re: A reminder that there are times to STFU! Congrats dude. Nice to see you get award for your good deeds around here. I'm just ignoring Sudhish now. Honestly, how does his fingers not hurt from typing BS all that damn time... I was going to read the bible but got carried away reading Tom Clancy novels....what? He writes better fiction... WHITE PRIDE WORLD WIDE!    Report     03-25-2008, 9:49 AM cheatmaster27 Joined on 10-07-2006 Home? Re: A reminder that there are times to STFU!  puredolemite wrote: If anyone else feels that we have made a poor decision feel free to speak your mind, Sudhish can remain quiet. Well I want  to speak my mind on one thing. Your judging me based on occasional fanboyism but it's one again a "target cheatmaster" sort of thing because other fanboys have been rewarded despite the fact that they are fanboys. Please tell me if you have GTA IV on either system so I can put you on the list. Need to find cheats? Click the link. Link    Report     03-25-2008, 10:06 AM puredolemite Joined on 03-28-2006 Comrade Dole Rank NA Re: A reminder that there are times to STFU! Did I give those fanboys rewards?  I don't know Sav's reasons, I was just saying that in my oppinion you're too much of a fanboy to be a model member.    Report     03-25-2008, 10:52 AM Sudhish86_ Joined on 12-08-2007 Rolling around in my own fesces..... Re: A reminder that there are times to STFU!